common sense in evidence – justice mill?

We are a communication affected group. We need communication to make logical sense. If something establishes something else as a fact, our communication can only go with that. It can never be expected to be communicated to us logically, that illogically a demonstrated evidenced fact shall not be allowed to count as one.

The good practical effect of this for civil liberties, is to entitle everyone to the same, in public situations that both we and everyone else can be in.

62d527c347b001b2b0144621cafe9a71          The Justice Mill is a Wetherspoon’s pub in Aberdeen, and some name it has. An industry producing justice it is not. In an aspie party, one of late twenties age got refused service there on grounds of suspected under 18 – late twenties, and has never had that happen before at this age. The manager held that it stood despite his adulthood being an obviously provable fact, from his concessionary bus pass. They are photographic, and only adults have them without Young Scot logos on. That is an item never issued to a child, never to anyone under 25 in fact, so it proves the holder is an adult. But he held that it a not valid age identifier by law.

Now this is not a simple matter of obeying the law, because law on a pub checking ages for service only arises when factual doubt exists. The question of law does not kick in at all until, and because, the pub has doubted the age. When the age is IN FACT FACTUALLY PROVED, BY ANY MEANS, the cause for tbe law to arise ceases to exist. It is counterfactual, a nonsensical behaviour in the face of facts, to hold that a factual proof of a fact does not count if it is not one of the forms of age identifier defined as “valid” by licensing law, and the person must still be treated as if they might not be adult !

This is not a line that you can make a successful logical communication of to us a communication troubled group, because it is illogical. It asserts that a known fiction must continue to be adhered to contrary to a known fact, because something had previously been suspected which is now disproved ! You were suspected therefore you must remain treated as if a now disproved suspicion is true, unless you have a particular valid identifier, though that would not happen if you had not been wrongly suspected in the first place !?!
Because that does not work as logical communication, it is completely unacceptable and a breach of care for our communication needs for anyone to call it “the way it is” or “legislation you can’t argue with it”.

Bookmark this or save its url, and use it as a resource, to cite against that system’s own VALIDITY and against anyone who argues for fatalism towards it. Use it against licensing authorities, or use it in support of anyone who comes up against an authority determined to be pigheaded against definitely demonstrable fact of adulthood, in such a situation. The point of rules setting standardly valid forms of identification is to define for cases of borderline uncertainty a set of types of document that carry no doubt. Anything that is in fact certain evidence results in the age not being in doubt and the possibility of breaking the age law not existing, ceasing to arise.

This is directed against workability of the licensing system in that unjust way, wherever this may happen and however often, more than against that particular pub. To balance the story, the manager there when we were leaving did seek to part politely and with apology for the more heated moments of logical clash there had been, it had not ended in a shouting match. But set against that is it being the only pub that has raised an age doubt at all to a man of late twenties age, and saying that common sense does not count.

28 Jan 2018


don’t fund actively causing youth homelessness

” A national helpline for young homeless people. Phone, app, online 24/7 365 days a year” sounds like it must be a good cause. It was a petition on, specifically for Wales, for creating this service there. Today it sent to its signers sent out an update linking them to a crowdfunder money appeal on “raising funds to launch the first out-of-hours helpline for young homeless people in Wales”, urging a burst of support to enable it to be open at all times not just working hours, for availability to folks in time of crisis.

Which is all good. But the appeal and crowdfunder page have been written in a way doing great evil – a way that could ACTUALLY CAUSE PREVENTABLE YOUTH HOMELESSNESS TO HAPPEN !! Cause youth not to know their rights in a housing emergency. It is obvious moral priority to prevent and not be part of it, over creating a new service shockingly tainted with doing that.

This appeal has been written on the premise that 16 year olds are subject to arbitrary throwing out of family homes and making homeless, by their parents. It does not describe any restraints and limits. To write as if that is true can itself cause it to happen !!! and victims not to realise rights against it. So is an act of horrific endangerment of teenagers.


There are rights around the continuity of a tenure that is part of a household’s established routine. This was establishable from advice radio. Of course housing crisis support is needed to try to enforce this. But it is not true that any 16 year old is arbitrarily subject to throwing out.

wenallt-sp-01 In 1980s South Wales a teenage psychiatrist was working, Harri Pritchard-Jones, whose approach to deliberately driving wedges between teenagers and their parents included telling us, and really trying to make us believe, that there is an arbitrary throwing out power. It was part of his abuse of us to do that. 30 years later the writer of a PhD thesis on autism, Destination Unknown, by Ewelina Rydzewska, University of the West of Scotland 2013. wrote in it how upsetting it was to read that item, in an account of treatment by a troubled teenagers’ unit team including him, that includes other abuse too. If he was right, citing that he was wrong would not have got through the PhD writing supervision.

14 Dec 2017


“adult protection” and the absconding officeholders’ predation on the whole British aspie scene

As this affects the whole British aspie scene and its safety from unexpected predators within, it presses the question of equivalents elsewhere to the law of “adult protection” existing in Scotland since 2007. If spectrumites elsewhere perceive being less safeguarded, this case’s direct impact on you gives you grounds to demand parity.

This law is no panacea, because no law is, because of the problem of getting any law fairly enforced without the authorities having a choice at their own convenience. Vulnerable folks who the authorities have an admitted duty not to give reasonable motives for suicidality to, know that the police will often ignore things without even replying, and social work will form and follow its own view on a situation – published “adult protection” procedures envisage it doing that. As Autism Network Scotland’s book An Ordinary Life Too exposed, see chapter 12, social work itself is corrupt and has a history of wilfully obstructing action against abusive services funded by itself, even after the Fritzl cellar case whose repetition all social work corruptions make possible.

Hence fair enforcement that is genuine in keeping us safe from emotional or financial exploitation, the law’s main purposes, and without in the process handing over folks’ lives go social work, has to be pursued by citing the protection law in our direct engagements with standard of services, such as in that book and the network’s follow-up of its impact, and in the periodic autism strategy consultations like this timely present one .

But the protection law itself is a great thing to have as back-up for demanding fairness in groups and services. It is a recognition that unfairness is a damaging and sometimes exploiting thing able to affect health or state of life. It applies to folks who have a condition that increases the possibility of being harmed, and autism always increases the susceptibility to harm from social foul play. It is also defined as applying to folks “may be unable to safeguard their well-being, rights, interests, or their property”, but that is an “or” list, not an “and” list, it means any one of those things applying, not all of them. An able aspie who is fully able to run their own life, including property and “interests”, is still covered on safeguarding their wellbeing in the social context of relations, taking advantage of, pushing around, because with their aspieness they can’t interact skilfully or think of smart things to say quickly.

Thus IF UNCORRUPTLY ENFORCED it prevents other aspies from backstabbing or betraying us in the middle of supporting us, and ties to that standard all organised groups and societies of aspies. Uncorruptly enforced is what is formally put to the autism strategy consultation – A NOTICE OF HARM AND RISK, UNDER THE VULNERABILITY LAW, for all spectrumites affected by the case of these 3 jerks, CITING THAT ONLY WITH AUTOMATIC PROSECUTION OF ANYONE WHO BEHAVES LIKE THEM ARE ALL ASPIES SAFE FROM HARM UNDER THE VULNERABILITY LAW.

That is both for the blatant breaches of personal support trust, and for the sweeping exclusions done to most of an asperger society, in their actions.

3 aspies were the 3 officeholders, chair, secretary, treasurer, of an asperger society, only 6 months ago, and for 9 years past. They were active and keen in making countrywide links, joining up the British aspie scene, giving aspies in other locations solidarity with troubles, and proud of their society’s success as a model for others to follow. All 3 simultaneously, acting together, have left the society they used to run, cut off the whole rest of its membership, exposing that they had not genuinely cared for them all along, and abandoned that cause of national joining up. In the process they changed a regular meet of that society into their own meet held in secret locations openly hidden from the rest of that society’s members.

Everyone in the whole British aspie scene who had made links with them, received any hospitality from them, has now found they were predated on. They are kicked away with no trustability of any solidarity or links experienced before. Wherever in Britain they were, if what these have done to them is defined in Scottish terms it is that they have brushed aside that vulnerability law’s applying to them, trampled all over it.

  • Mark Keenan
  • Gerry Duffy
  • James Dick

                                        20170721_093701 And why did they choose to do this to the WHOLE British aspie scene? Because Keenan was present when one other person was treated nastily by an ex-workmate who made a malicious accusation. Because he decided to Judas on the other person to keep himself out of any trouble, and even after the accusation was easily proved false (hence it was a crime to make it), corruptly decided to refuse to withdraw the improper apology he had made to the villain dissociating himself from the victim. Which is an illegal breach of a support role entered into. For which these other 2 characters could have supported that whole aspie society by turning on him for it. Instead, after months of tension, they (+1 other) chose to join him in turning on the society and doing a runner on it.

Abandoned all they had worked for for years, abandoned the national Asperger scene and its interests and development, to run away from having to handle one personal incident fairly.  Their names will be dung in the British aspie scene’s posterity, representing unethical unreliability and fly-by-night self interest.

Folks can come to seem like trustable reliable figures in even the nationally joined up aspie scene, over years, yet turn out, to the scene’s surprise, to be just fairweather activists, able to throw the lot away in an instant. So don’t leave it to trust. For all our safetys, including safety from suicide triggering of suicides by dirty dropping of support, agree with pinning into place committal legal deterrents to conduct like theirs.

The whole linked up British aspie scene.
14 Nov 2017

They stand reported, by protection law report made within a submission to the strategy process as linked above, and cited in it as proof that by duty against suicide dangers, enforcement of a protection law standard against their actions IS IN FACT AN AUTOMATIC DUTY AND NOT DISCRETIONARY. SUICIDE ENDANGERMENT BEING COMMITTED BY ANY PARTY WHO TRIES TO CLAIM OTHERWISE. This makes part of the autism strategy that the protection law authorities get their hands forced and don’t get left having any discretionary choice. Now this gets referred to everywhere that there is any protection ethic to cite and any engagement with the autism strategy, until they are stuck with everyone visibly knowing A LIABILITY FOR THEM THAT THEY CAN’T AFFORD, of both risking suicidality and giving it a motive, unless they comply with the forcing of their hands and adopt the principle of AUTOMATIC action.

An item that forces this question for the safety of spectrumites outside Scotland, is that endangerment is done in the Aspie Village site unless Duffy automatically is removed from being one of its moderators.

13 Dec 2017


family courts

Leonardo Edwards with Robert SproulNovember 5 at 9:50pm shared from Facebook.

Published on 26 Aug 2017: It has long been alleged that family courts across the UK conspire with police and social workers, in order to steal people’s sons and daughters and put them into ‘care’ in order to generate revenue for the state. This has been written off by many as simply a bogus ‘conspiracy theory’.

However, for the first time, Robert Sproul proves this to be true.

The following video contains real footage of a confrontation between Robert and a man acting in the role of sheriff within an administrative hearing in a public building. In this hearing, Robert challenges the authority of the sheriffs whom had unlawfully put the son and daughter of Robert’s sister into care previously based on false allegations and fraud.

Despite no crime in law having taken place, no consent being given to any legislation whatsoever and not a single point of Robert’s argument being rebutted, the man acting in the role of sheriff ignored the law of the land and made a ruling under a legislative rule. In doing so, the sheriff perverted the course of justice in favour of the corporate agenda.

People’s sons and daughters are being unlawfully stolen and put into care across the country on a daily basis. It is important that this video is made viral so that people can see for theirselves the crimes that are occurring against the people.

With that in mind, please like and share this video and help make this video viral.

The information contained within it, is very important. Apologies for the shaky video, it has been stabilised as best we possibly could – [ where right now you will find “This content is not available on this country domain due to a defamation complaint”. Go figure? Hiding things evidences that it’s true. ]20170530_160819








MeToo Men Too

Sky News Newsdesk tweet
A Sky Data poll has revealed 55% of women and 22% of men say they have been sexually harrassed at least once.

A figure that high for men totally explodes the bigotry and misguidedness of the recent #MeToo campaign on social media, in being only for women to do, and a message that only women suffer and men are the villains. Instead of the common sense that there is good and bad in both genders.

How the hell do you think that felt to the 22%? simultaneously denied and treated as an irrational mob’s suspects? The following shocking exchange on Facebook shows MeToo dangerously stirring up bigotry against believing in false accusations –

  • While not dismissing any individual’s experiences, the evidence is that such malicious accusations are very rare. Implying that it is an issue of equal magnitude to harrassment or violence by men against women seems really irresponsible, given how widespread the latter is. So I disagree.
  • (a woman) X, thank you.
  • X, Read the comment by “Thought Criminal”, first in the Disqus comments list when sorted by Best, and the comment by “Riggah”: [shared link: Guilty until proven innocent: life after a false rape accusation. ]
  • Skim reading the summaries of reports in the wikipedia article (link below), the percentage of “unfounded” accusations reported by a police force never seems to break through 10%. And there are lots of discussions to be had around how the accusations get labelled “unfounded” (e.g. sometimes this is the outcome when they are just withdrawn, without anything having been proved either way). So I think the female criminologist cited by “Ribbah” sounds pretty credible. [Gave link to Wikipedia article “False accusation of rape” – now look up first what Fairness Watch has to say about Wikipedia.]
  • 10% is high. It’s one in every 10 of a lot of reports, that’s high odds and a lot of real lives.
    It is more logical to take the term “unfounded” as being used when it is demonstrated, than to clutch reinterpretations of it that clearly are not on the side of the principle of innocent until proved guilty. After those reinterpretations, Thought Criminal’s list of 48 cases is still there, with the reinterpretations making life worse for the folks in those cases and their families.
  • No one needs to clutch at anything. It’s a genuine problem with how the data is recorded.
    Anyway, at no point have I said that false accusations never happen or that it isn’t a horrendous experience for those caught up in them. I simply said that it was irresponsible to make out that that happens on the same scale as harrassment/assaults against women. And this is borne out by all these figures. The number of unfounded accusations is always far smaller than the number taken seriously or successfully prosecuted.
  • So I find irresponsible to call rare any serious injustice that really exists, and needs real guarding against and conscientious alertness to its possibility in every situation.
  • But doesn’t doing that risk victims of harrassment/violence not being believed?
  • Support services who are not going to have any effect on the accused’s fate can base their private relationship with their client on accepting all their client tells them. That can happen while at the level of judiciality and anything that impacts the accused person, the oldest human rights principle for everyone’s safety is that accusations must never be believed on word, only on evidence.

It is caught as a totally offensive sexism for MeToo’s organisers to assume that no male victim incidence exists, the same as out-of-favour Germaine Greer did on domestic violence.

The men’s figure is likely to be conservative and an underrepresent, exactly because the toxic masculinity mates culture and this feminist PC prejudice against men both together make men feel not socially accepted in stating a harrassment experience. Straight men are likely not to feel socially safe or comfortable with peers to admit a gay harrassment experience. Or, The Big Bang Theory‘s many scenes of women thrusting unconsented kisses onto men they hardly know, are a barometer that unjustly this behaviour is still not getting perceived as sexual harrassment when it is woman to man. How does that sit with MeToo?

PC prejuduce against men has impacted on aspie men who struggle to connect socially.

#MeToo #skynews #everydaysexism #bigbangtheory

a clicktivist cult: Korean Dogs


A warning against a high demand cult. This not an autism organisation, but it could certainly be a particular danger of entrapment for spectrumites whose literal mindedness includes feeling a tie of conscience to keep following a moral cause at its literal face value, and take literally seriously the campaigning actions asked of them.

In any moral or political campaign, we need to apply critical thinking to actions asked of us by leaderships. Do we agree that the actions are sensible. e.g. if you do canvassing in a referendum, you will find it is not sensible, it annoys voters and can lose votes, to pester them with reminder gimmicks to get them to pledge to vote at a particular time so that your leaders can monitor turnout through the day. Baulk at that task if you don’t want to be a emotionally exploited volunteer.

It is tragic, but has an air of inevitability, to find that an online political campaign in the leaders-and-followers style, nicknamed “clicktivism”, can be a high demand burdener and exploiter of its followers, as many followers as whose loyalty is kept hooked by the morality of its cause. They are hooked to strive to follow a scale of demands that swamps their lives, swamps out the issues and causes in their own lives, reduces them to a resource serving this one cause’s leadership – THAT MEANS THEY ARE IN A CULT. It’s the cult style of life control.

Korean Dogs is a campaign on a particularly moral cause, rightly particularly able to get a hook on civilised consciences. It is about barbaric evil use of dogs and cats for meat, quite dietarily pointlessly, and with the scale of cruelty that proves humans an evil species on a meteoric course of self-destruction, and the dreamy space age optimism of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos an offensively unreal wishful delusion.

No wonder Korean Dogs has over time attracted enough willing supporters to slip into temptation to ask more of them, and to grow greedy.

Already on its contact page, at they have a FAQ answer to supporters who have felt unreasonably swamped. “The online petition platform we have chosen to use is because, not only are they a free resource, but they are one of the largest and most successful. They provide functions that are useful for our campaign, but they do not offer the functionality of allowing you to sign multiple petitions at once. Each petition should be individually read and then signed and although we recognise that, as we have so many petitions, it is very time consuming for our supporters, we are not able to change this. However, your voice is very important ”

– And signing petitions is by far the easiest of their demands. They choose to make their answer only be about that. But they also ask for writings of letters and emails, to government departments, to Olympic teams all over the world because of the forthcoming Winter Olympics in South Korea, and to city officials and long lists of councillors and senators all over the US and Canada seeking to stop cities twinning with Korean ones. No normal person has time to send so many personally worked-on messages. Anyone who tries to do it all has had their life taken over.

As soon as you have signed one of their petitions, you get swamped by far more frequent updates from them announcing new campaigns, than you can even have time to read, let alone act on, and you need to create an email folder specially to park them all in. Their latest one has crossed a line. In a layer that you only reach when you are already acting on the third of the links they have sent you, you find them asking for personally written long messages to a vast list of 255 contacts that fills the screen ! It would take you a month, with a headache just contemplating its utter impossibility and absurdity.

It is supporter abuse to arrogantly write “we are not able to change” a life swamping pressure upon all who are mugs enough to take it on, that obviously, counterproductively publicly many of their cause’s supporters have found unacceptable. It clinchingly makes them a cult and a dangerous exploiter organisation, such that the animals actually need that folks reject and denounce Korean Dogs’s monstrous scale of demands. They are only making enemies for the animals by it. If you are a supporter, feeling oppressed but feeling trapped by conscience towards the animal atrocities, reflect on tbis: unless loss of supporters matters to them, they can’t really be a campaign following the right strategy at all, and worth supporting. Knowing that the animals’ cause is there, you can choose your own reasonable scale of actions among all the other equally morally important things you care about. The animals are not helped at all by an organisation thst makes enemies by oppressing its supporters with a greed that has gone to its head.

This is a case of an online campaign organisation the morality of whose cause has worked to grip some supporters into a weary drudge silent loyalty and has tempted it to keep upping its demands on them, until it has gone way too far, turned into a cult and out of control monster. It now needs denouncing for it and saying loud no to.

17 Oct 2017

Nov 21: Overworked supporters may be making an impact – Korean Dogs is doing some activity through without using its name. If you get a message in the name of Angela Jeong, most likely asking for an action of writing to some politician or ambassador, following up a petition, that’s them.

survey on bad treatments and therapies

The Westminster Commission on Autism is not as parliamentary as it sounds. Its name seems to be a way of stating that its interest is at all-British level. It is a self-constituted group of professionals.

Its aim to influence policy and practice mirrors the Autism Network Scotland‘s, but the key difference is that this Commission lacks any regular belonging participation by ordinary aspie grassroots. It is a point from where that model could be started, to do for grassroots voicing in England what ANS has in Scotland – but is it interested?

It is showing a good interest at present in getting some grassroots voice by doing this survey, into bad treatments and medicines. Good to pass on the link for it: it’s a very worthwhile campaigning study. – their blog page introducing it – the actual survey.


But there is a rather silly problem with this survey. It expects short answers in boxes the questions which in fact will take long answers and serious thinking time, for any caring participant to answer properly. So they are quite wrong to estimate doing the survey in 15 minutes !

Doing the survey properly will require: dipping into it first to appreciate what the questions are, thinking out and writing your answers saved in draft somewhere, then going back to the survey and copying them in.

It’s not quite designed right to enccourage easy and informative responses for them.

28 Sep 2017